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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “What to Keep, What to Cut” by Darrell Poeppelmeyer</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1573/comment-page-1#comment-6036</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrell Poeppelmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The process elucidated seemed almost pristine. As I read the story I was moved to say, &quot;Yes, yes, and yes.&quot; I would pray that the story were true  ... across congregations in America. The process of managing change and crisis is the challenge of leadership. Some questions the article raises (off the top of my head):

1. How was the strategic plan revised to reflect a new context and circumstance?
2. Did a seven page report to the congregation really communicate? (Obviously there were more tools than this to include the congregation within the loop of how leadership was dealing with the crisis.)
3. Dividing into small groups takes some sort of guideline for intention discussion. I wonder what they used?
4. One wonders about the composition of the elders? Men only? Different generations, cultures, and educational backgrounds?
5. What was the essential ethos of the church? It sounds like a staff driven church. Staff driven churches have their own characteristics for resolving crisis that differ from other types of congregations. However, the tools and methodology this church used are certainly applicable in other settings.

Thank you for the story and the opportunity to learn from you and others.

-Darrell Poeppelmeyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The process elucidated seemed almost pristine. As I read the story I was moved to say, &#8220;Yes, yes, and yes.&#8221; I would pray that the story were true  &#8230; across congregations in America. The process of managing change and crisis is the challenge of leadership. Some questions the article raises (off the top of my head):</p>
<p>1. How was the strategic plan revised to reflect a new context and circumstance?<br />
2. Did a seven page report to the congregation really communicate? (Obviously there were more tools than this to include the congregation within the loop of how leadership was dealing with the crisis.)<br />
3. Dividing into small groups takes some sort of guideline for intention discussion. I wonder what they used?<br />
4. One wonders about the composition of the elders? Men only? Different generations, cultures, and educational backgrounds?<br />
5. What was the essential ethos of the church? It sounds like a staff driven church. Staff driven churches have their own characteristics for resolving crisis that differ from other types of congregations. However, the tools and methodology this church used are certainly applicable in other settings.</p>
<p>Thank you for the story and the opportunity to learn from you and others.</p>
<p>-Darrell Poeppelmeyer</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “What to Keep, What to Cut” by Ed White</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1573/comment-page-1#comment-6035</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a heart warming story John. I rejoice when a congregation does it right!. Congratulations. Ed White</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a heart warming story John. I rejoice when a congregation does it right!. Congratulations. Ed White</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “What to Keep, What to Cut” by Pat Albright</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1573/comment-page-1#comment-6031</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a clear, concise step by step progression of working through this process. One of the things I appreciated the most was the acknowledgment that parishioners came forward when they realized that staff positions were on the line. I think too often, the threat of losing staff or reducing compensation packages is kept &#039;in-house&#039; and not shared with the congregation. Those in the pews have the responsibility to know what is facing the governing board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a clear, concise step by step progression of working through this process. One of the things I appreciated the most was the acknowledgment that parishioners came forward when they realized that staff positions were on the line. I think too often, the threat of losing staff or reducing compensation packages is kept &#8216;in-house&#8217; and not shared with the congregation. Those in the pews have the responsibility to know what is facing the governing board.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clergy Burnout by Rick Herman</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1560/comment-page-1#comment-6005</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article and for Alban&#039;s continuing efforts to remind us of the importance of clergy wellness.  The organization I serve, Wheat Ridge Ministries, is dedicated to &#039;seeding&#039; new health and human service initiatives with special focus on Lutheran congregations and agencies.  It is our observation that new and innovative efforts to share health and hope in the community are initiated most frequently in congregations where clergy leaders are themselves experiencing wellness of body, mind, and spirit.  

Unfortunately, recent studies in the two largest U.S. Lutheran church bodies reflect the findings that Wayne notes, namely higher rates of obesity, hyper-tension, etc. than the general population.  Because of this, Wheat Ridge celebrates and collaborates with organizations such as Grace Place (see John Eckrich&#039;s post) and in sponsoring &quot;Living Well!&quot; days for church leaders in various locations around the U.S.  We have also engaged for the past several years in a pilot grant program that provides matching grants for clergy and congregations who have never participated in sabbatical experiences.  The feedback we have received from this pilot indicates that a well-planned and executed sabbatical can be accomplished for a modest financial investment.  The results overwhelmingly indicate that after engaging in this experience, clergy returned refreshed, renewed, and excited about returning to their leadership role.  Likewise, the congregations served by these individuals report that the sabbatical provides them great opportunities to assess and reflect on the partnership they have with their clergy leader in pursuit of the congregation&#039;s mission.  Information about the work of Wheat Ridge Ministries and our Sabbatical Resource Center can be found at www.wheatridge.org.

Rick Herman
President
Wheat Ridge Ministries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article and for Alban&#8217;s continuing efforts to remind us of the importance of clergy wellness.  The organization I serve, Wheat Ridge Ministries, is dedicated to &#8216;seeding&#8217; new health and human service initiatives with special focus on Lutheran congregations and agencies.  It is our observation that new and innovative efforts to share health and hope in the community are initiated most frequently in congregations where clergy leaders are themselves experiencing wellness of body, mind, and spirit.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, recent studies in the two largest U.S. Lutheran church bodies reflect the findings that Wayne notes, namely higher rates of obesity, hyper-tension, etc. than the general population.  Because of this, Wheat Ridge celebrates and collaborates with organizations such as Grace Place (see John Eckrich&#8217;s post) and in sponsoring &#8220;Living Well!&#8221; days for church leaders in various locations around the U.S.  We have also engaged for the past several years in a pilot grant program that provides matching grants for clergy and congregations who have never participated in sabbatical experiences.  The feedback we have received from this pilot indicates that a well-planned and executed sabbatical can be accomplished for a modest financial investment.  The results overwhelmingly indicate that after engaging in this experience, clergy returned refreshed, renewed, and excited about returning to their leadership role.  Likewise, the congregations served by these individuals report that the sabbatical provides them great opportunities to assess and reflect on the partnership they have with their clergy leader in pursuit of the congregation&#8217;s mission.  Information about the work of Wheat Ridge Ministries and our Sabbatical Resource Center can be found at <a href="http://www.wheatridge.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.wheatridge.org</a>.</p>
<p>Rick Herman<br />
President<br />
Wheat Ridge Ministries</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clergy Burnout by Carol Martin</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1560/comment-page-1#comment-5979</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. Would hope that the clergy themselves are 
   aware of the need to take time out.
   Kepp up the good work.
   
   Blessings,
   
   Carol Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. Would hope that the clergy themselves are<br />
   aware of the need to take time out.<br />
   Kepp up the good work.</p>
<p>   Blessings,</p>
<p>   Carol Martin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “Avoiding Mission Drift” by Art Going</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1459/comment-page-1#comment-5977</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Going</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, Steinke&#039;s essay is wise and helpful in repeating what has been for a long time one of his &quot;drum beat&quot; themes: healthy congregations function with a sense of purpose and direction. No controversy here.

On the other hand, Steinke completely misses the point in the &quot;missional church&quot; conversation. By focusing his argument on the generic use of &quot;mission&quot; to mean purpose, he avoids the really critical discussion of how even congregations that are clear about purpose can fail to be &quot;missional&quot; in the sense of living not for themselves but for others. It&#039;s misleading to talk about a missional movement; there is hardly anything that coherent and unified on the American church landscape. But there is an important critique of churches that are, at best, merely &quot;attractional,&quot; and, at worst, self-absorbed, clubby, and tribal.

To be sure, the missional crowd can be too one-sided in playing missional off against attractional. Surely the church is called to gather as well as scatter. &quot;Come and see&quot; along with &quot;go and serve/tell.&quot; But we can be grateful for the courageous experiments of even self-styled missional chuches in pacesetting, incarnational ministry in countless places where many other churches fear to tread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, Steinke&#8217;s essay is wise and helpful in repeating what has been for a long time one of his &#8220;drum beat&#8221; themes: healthy congregations function with a sense of purpose and direction. No controversy here.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Steinke completely misses the point in the &#8220;missional church&#8221; conversation. By focusing his argument on the generic use of &#8220;mission&#8221; to mean purpose, he avoids the really critical discussion of how even congregations that are clear about purpose can fail to be &#8220;missional&#8221; in the sense of living not for themselves but for others. It&#8217;s misleading to talk about a missional movement; there is hardly anything that coherent and unified on the American church landscape. But there is an important critique of churches that are, at best, merely &#8220;attractional,&#8221; and, at worst, self-absorbed, clubby, and tribal.</p>
<p>To be sure, the missional crowd can be too one-sided in playing missional off against attractional. Surely the church is called to gather as well as scatter. &#8220;Come and see&#8221; along with &#8220;go and serve/tell.&#8221; But we can be grateful for the courageous experiments of even self-styled missional chuches in pacesetting, incarnational ministry in countless places where many other churches fear to tread.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “Avoiding Mission Drift” by Wayne Schwab</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1459/comment-page-1#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the mission?  Steinke does not answer that in these paragraphs.  He does say &quot;Mission is the nature and purpose fo the church.&quot;  That is really not an answer.  Does he answer it further on in the book?  My guess is that it is far from being part of God&#039;s mission to make the world more loving and more just -- to conform the world to God&#039;s rule of love and justice (Mark 1:15).  Claudia Greer says it is &quot;about God&#039;s love for the world.&quot;  Vague, too!  What does that look like in action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the mission?  Steinke does not answer that in these paragraphs.  He does say &#8220;Mission is the nature and purpose fo the church.&#8221;  That is really not an answer.  Does he answer it further on in the book?  My guess is that it is far from being part of God&#8217;s mission to make the world more loving and more just &#8212; to conform the world to God&#8217;s rule of love and justice (Mark 1:15).  Claudia Greer says it is &#8220;about God&#8217;s love for the world.&#8221;  Vague, too!  What does that look like in action?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “Avoiding Mission Drift” by John Schaffer</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1459/comment-page-1#comment-5969</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not find the article enlightening.  My effort to assimilate some insight from the story and statements came to a halt at the statement &quot;Either a church is missional or it is not the church.&quot;  That coupled with the rather limited examples of mission seemed more like an indictment.
What percentage of converts or new members join a church based on a mission statement.  Most that I have seen are soapy, gratuitous and overly ambitious.  To just learn to love your neighbor and forgive those that sin, trespass against or just offend provides enough of a challenge for anyone.  Loving God is easy and natural.
I think most of us join a church to commune with others in worship and seek to be with those that share a similar theology and common traits of culture.  The warmth of religious friendship is compelling.  But, to start specifying particular missions is divisive.  For example: Youth ministry vs. Elder care. So churches write the mission statement so as not to offend.  That I understand, but not to criticize for failure to follow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not find the article enlightening.  My effort to assimilate some insight from the story and statements came to a halt at the statement &#8220;Either a church is missional or it is not the church.&#8221;  That coupled with the rather limited examples of mission seemed more like an indictment.<br />
What percentage of converts or new members join a church based on a mission statement.  Most that I have seen are soapy, gratuitous and overly ambitious.  To just learn to love your neighbor and forgive those that sin, trespass against or just offend provides enough of a challenge for anyone.  Loving God is easy and natural.<br />
I think most of us join a church to commune with others in worship and seek to be with those that share a similar theology and common traits of culture.  The warmth of religious friendship is compelling.  But, to start specifying particular missions is divisive.  For example: Youth ministry vs. Elder care. So churches write the mission statement so as not to offend.  That I understand, but not to criticize for failure to follow it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “Avoiding Mission Drift” by Jay Warthen</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1459/comment-page-1#comment-5967</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Warthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best description of the idea of mission I&#039;ve found is, &quot;Mission is the answer to the question, What good, for whom?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best description of the idea of mission I&#8217;ve found is, &#8220;Mission is the answer to the question, What good, for whom?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Resources and Comments in Response to “Avoiding Mission Drift” by Richard Hartman</title>
		<link>http://albanroundtable.org/archives/1459/comment-page-1#comment-5965</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article very helpful in describing one of the symtoms I believe is affecting the Church.  For too long the Church has been able to operate under the thought of we are there for all people.  The &quot;C&quot;hurch is there for all people, the &quot;c&quot;hurch needs to be more specific in order to succeed. To use the compass God has given us for direction and clarity of what we are to be and do in our mutual ministry .  Thank you for placing this article on your website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article very helpful in describing one of the symtoms I believe is affecting the Church.  For too long the Church has been able to operate under the thought of we are there for all people.  The &#8220;C&#8221;hurch is there for all people, the &#8220;c&#8221;hurch needs to be more specific in order to succeed. To use the compass God has given us for direction and clarity of what we are to be and do in our mutual ministry .  Thank you for placing this article on your website.</p>
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